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		<title>Forum SEO: vBulletin/vbSEO vs IPB with SEO URL&#8217;S</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brandon Sheley posted this on Twitter.

    I'm 95% certain I can get a vb+vbseo board to out rank an IPB forum with the same content &#038; links.

I was going to write an article about this very topic. I had gathered the data and taken screenshots to do this and until Brandon posted on Twitter I didn't have the urge. I have converted 3 of my communities to IPB from vBulletin. The sites all had vbSEO installed. I gathered the data from  Computer Help Forums from the last week I had vBulletin with vbSEO installed and then each week after the conversion to IPB. What I did was look at stats for each week after after I converted. Initially pageviews dropped, but, site visits and visitors stayed constant. Then about 2 weeks  in I noticed an increase in pageviews, visits and visitors. I also noticed that the search engines seemed to visit more often. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.brandonsheley.org/">Brandon Sheley</a> posted this on Twitter.</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m 95% certain I can get a vb+vbseo board to out rank an IPB forum with the same content &amp; links.</p></blockquote>
<p>I was going to write an article about this very topic. I had gathered the data and taken screenshots to do this and until Brandon posted on Twitter I didn&#8217;t have the urge. I have converted 3 of my communities to IPB from vBulletin. The sites all had vbSEO installed. I gathered the data from  <a href="http://computerhelpforums.net">Computer Help Forums</a> from the last week I had vBulletin with vbSEO installed and then each week after the conversion to IPB.  What I did was look at stats for each week after after I converted. Initially pageviews dropped, but, site visits and visitors stayed constant. Then about 2 weeks  in I noticed an increase in pageviews, visits and visitors. I also noticed that the search engines seemed to visit more often.</p>
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<p>First a little information about the before and after. I had vBuletin installed with vbSEO. I used the vbSEO replacement feature which adds the first x words from each post to the header. I used the custom meta tags for each page and keyword thread titles.</p>
<p>When I converted to IPB I set up htaccess friendly url&#8217;s. I redirected the old vbSEO url&#8217;s to the default vBulletin url&#8217;s. Then used the tools IPB gives you to redirect the old url&#8217;s to the new IPB search engine friendly url&#8217;s. I have done nothing extra to the stock install of IPB to make it more SE friendly. The site doesn&#8217;t even have meta tags. I don&#8217;t know if adding them would help, but, it sure hasn&#8217;t hurt as the stats below will tell you.</p>
<p>Take a look at the last week I had vBulletin installed with vbSEO.</p>
<p><a href="http://bobschwarz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/vbulletin-one-week.png" rel="lightbox[189]"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-192" title="vbulletin-one-week" src="http://bobschwarz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/vbulletin-one-week-300x118.png" alt="vbulletin with vbseo stats" width="300" height="118" /></a></p>
<p>Now look at the stats from the site 2 weeks after converting to IPB.</p>
<div id="attachment_193" class="wp-caption alignnone" style="width: 310px"><a href="http://bobschwarz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ipb-one-week.png" rel="lightbox[189]"><img class="size-medium wp-image-193" title="ipb-one-week" src="http://bobschwarz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/ipb-one-week-300x117.png" alt="" width="300" height="117" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">IPB one week stats</p></div>
<p>As you can see since the switch from vBulletin with vbSEO to IPB with no extra SEO being done the site gets more traffic, more visitors and more pageviews.</p>
<p>Now lets look at the SE activity on the site. One would expect this to increase anyway since the search engines had to re-index all the content. That is why I went a little farther ahead with this data. I wanted to let things calm down and in order to do that I waited until a month passed.</p>
<p>Search engine activity from the last week vBulletin and vbSEO were installed.</p>
<p><a href="http://bobschwarz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/se-visits.png" rel="lightbox[189]"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-194" title="se-visits" src="http://bobschwarz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/se-visits-300x28.png" alt="search engine visits with vbSEO and vbulletin installed" width="300" height="28" /></a></p>
<p>Now lets look at the first week a month after the install of IPB.</p>
<p><a href="http://bobschwarz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/se-visits-ipb.png" rel="lightbox[189]"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-195" title="se-visits-ipb" src="http://bobschwarz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/se-visits-ipb-300x28.png" alt="search engine visits with IPB installed" width="300" height="28" /></a></p>
<p>As you can see the search engines seem to like the site. They visit with more frequency.</p>
<p>Clearly a stock install of IPB with no special SEO done to it will not hurt your site in the search engines. In fact in my case the results with a stock IPB install performed better than the install of vBulletin with vbSEO.</p>
<p>So getting back to Brandon&#8217;s tweet. I would bet that anything that he can do with vbSEO wouldn&#8217;t matter at all. An equal IPB forum with same content would perform as well or better. That&#8217;s my opinion anyway.</p>
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