Comments on: vBulletin 4 Gold Review: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly http://bobschwarz.com/vbulletin-4-gold-review-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly My Network of Sites and Services Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:27:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: AWS http://bobschwarz.com/vbulletin-4-gold-review-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/comment-page-1#comment-63 AWS Sun, 11 Apr 2010 05:25:57 +0000 http://bobschwarz.com/?p=159#comment-63 Fixed some and introduced more with the fixes. Fixed some and introduced more with the fixes.

]]> By: rares http://bobschwarz.com/vbulletin-4-gold-review-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/comment-page-1#comment-62 rares Thu, 08 Apr 2010 09:33:30 +0000 http://bobschwarz.com/?p=159#comment-62 Hello, Can you tell me what's the status of vbulletin 4 publishing suite ? Did they fix any bugs ? I'm running with 3.6.2 on a shared server. does it worth it to upgrade if i dont want to chage de hosting plan ? thanks Hello,

Can you tell me what’s the status of vbulletin 4 publishing suite ? Did they fix any bugs ? I’m running with 3.6.2 on a shared server. does it worth it to upgrade if i dont want to chage de hosting plan ?

thanks

]]> By: vbplusme http://bobschwarz.com/vbulletin-4-gold-review-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/comment-page-1#comment-34 vbplusme Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:37:20 +0000 http://bobschwarz.com/?p=159#comment-34 Amazing! I finally found some people who realize that the latest and greatest Jelsoft/Internet Brands are clueless about a real development and release process. I knew that they were screwed when they kept saying they would go gold on 12/21/2009. They skipped a beta cycle completely and released 'their' Gold on the date. I had the stuff before the official announcement so by the time they actually made the official announcement, I knew that the release was missing release notes and version specific documentation, like the v4 manual which STILL doesn't exist. On top of that, a lot of stuff didn't work as has been described here. I did some code comparisons between the "Forum" and the "Suite" and its clear that the CMS and Blog, like v3 are band-aid add-on features so I can not surprised that the performance has gone to hell. I run sites on a shared server so you can bet that I won't be upgrading anytime soon as I have no plan to upgrade to a dedicated server. The Forum code and folder structure and the Suite code structure are identical except for the added CMS and Blog file and folder in the Suite package. If I removed all the files / folder that contained "CMS" or "Blog" from the Suite installation, it would be identical to the Forum installed code. That should tell you something about the flawed development process. To me, this clearly indicates that they don't have a development process, are flying by the seat of their pants and are totally data driven which means that quality doesn't matter. I totally agree that its a sad thing to see this formerly great product get flushed like this. I am astonished that they made these changes to the architecture so that the new stuff was incompatible with the existing v3 code base and nobody there thought that was a problem? Amazing! I finally found some people who realize that the latest and greatest Jelsoft/Internet Brands are clueless about a real development and release process. I knew that they were screwed when they kept saying they would go gold on 12/21/2009. They skipped a beta cycle completely and released ‘their’ Gold on the date. I had the stuff before the official announcement so by the time they actually made the official announcement, I knew that the release was missing release notes and version specific documentation, like the v4 manual which STILL doesn’t exist. On top of that, a lot of stuff didn’t work as has been described here.

I did some code comparisons between the “Forum” and the “Suite” and its clear that the CMS and Blog, like v3 are band-aid add-on features so I can not surprised that the performance has gone to hell. I run sites on a shared server so you can bet that I won’t be upgrading anytime soon as I have no plan to upgrade to a dedicated server.

The Forum code and folder structure and the Suite code structure are identical except for the added CMS and Blog file and folder in the Suite package. If I removed all the files / folder that contained “CMS” or “Blog” from the Suite installation, it would be identical to the Forum installed code. That should tell you something about the flawed development process. To me, this clearly indicates that they don’t have a development process, are flying by the seat of their pants and are totally data driven which means that quality doesn’t matter.

I totally agree that its a sad thing to see this formerly great product get flushed like this. I am astonished that they made these changes to the architecture so that the new stuff was incompatible with the existing v3 code base and nobody there thought that was a problem?

]]> By: AWS http://bobschwarz.com/vbulletin-4-gold-review-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/comment-page-1#comment-30 AWS Wed, 30 Dec 2009 04:23:48 +0000 http://bobschwarz.com/?p=159#comment-30 There might not be anyone left to ban. The customers that have been there through this fiasco are slowly leaving. They will get some new dollars for a while. That will dry up pretty fast as word of mouth changes even more than it has already. Sad to see this happen to a once great product. There might not be anyone left to ban. The customers that have been there through this fiasco are slowly leaving. They will get some new dollars for a while. That will dry up pretty fast as word of mouth changes even more than it has already. Sad to see this happen to a once great product.

]]> By: David McHenry http://bobschwarz.com/vbulletin-4-gold-review-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/comment-page-1#comment-29 David McHenry Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:48:33 +0000 http://bobschwarz.com/?p=159#comment-29 The censor monster is just getting started over there, if you thought the bannings were bad before when they released the plans for new licensing structure, wait for a little longer as this vBulletin 4 travesty continues, and Internet Brands starts to fall on it's face because of it. The censor monster is just getting started over there, if you thought the bannings were bad before when they released the plans for new licensing structure, wait for a little longer as this vBulletin 4 travesty continues, and Internet Brands starts to fall on it’s face because of it.

]]> By: Mike http://bobschwarz.com/vbulletin-4-gold-review-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/comment-page-1#comment-28 Mike Thu, 24 Dec 2009 12:59:42 +0000 http://bobschwarz.com/?p=159#comment-28 Removed your posts, eh? And people want to know reasons for switching to IPB? Removed your posts, eh?

And people want to know reasons for switching to IPB?

]]> By: AWS http://bobschwarz.com/vbulletin-4-gold-review-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/comment-page-1#comment-27 AWS Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:56:48 +0000 http://bobschwarz.com/?p=159#comment-27 I think the problem is the co-mingling of new code and old. If you look at the source you see a distinct difference in the cms code compared to the forum code. My bet is the query problem on the cms will remain until the total rewrite is complete. A side note. My posts from the last few days have been removed at vbulletin.com. I guess I was hit by the censor monster. I think the problem is the co-mingling of new code and old. If you look at the source you see a distinct difference in the cms code compared to the forum code. My bet is the query problem on the cms will remain until the total rewrite is complete.

A side note. My posts from the last few days have been removed at vbulletin.com. I guess I was hit by the censor monster.

]]> By: Brandon Sheley http://bobschwarz.com/vbulletin-4-gold-review-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/comment-page-1#comment-26 Brandon Sheley Thu, 24 Dec 2009 05:44:26 +0000 http://bobschwarz.com/?p=159#comment-26 Great write-up AWS! I just setup a small test site as well but hadn't made it to checking out the query count on the cms or forum. I had read discussion at the .Com but hadn't had time to check it out myself. I wonder why it's using so many didn't vbadvanced use less than 20 and people complained about that. As I always say, I hope for the best, but a reasonable product is still months away. Great write-up AWS!
I just setup a small test site as well but hadn’t made it to checking out the query count on the cms or forum. I had read discussion at the .Com but hadn’t had time to check it out myself. I wonder why it’s using so many didn’t vbadvanced use less than 20 and people complained about that.
As I always say, I hope for the best, but a reasonable product is still months away.

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